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  No JW's w/ post-graduate degree in Biblical Greek/Hebrew?

  by InterestedOne in

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  does anyone here have info regarding the validity/invalidity of the following statement i read while browsing:.

  "as far as we have been able to determine, no baptized jehovahs witness has ever been awarded a post-graduate academic degree by an accredited institution in the field of biblical greek or hebrew.

  this is rather startling in a religious sect of approximately six million people who pride themselves on being zealous students of the bible.

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  Bungi Bill

  I have heard this "rebuttal" before, and it largely hangs on how much harder it is supposed to be to translate English into a foreign language than the other way around.

  For a number of years, I used a foreign language (the Tok Pisin language, of Papua New Guinea) in the course of my everyday work. All I can say is that I never at any time had any more difficulty in translating English into Tok Pisin, than I had in translating Tok Pisin into English.

  If that is indeed a problem (i.e the translating of English into the foreign language), then this raises questions about the "translators" grasp of that particular language.

  The other part of this "rebuttal" has to do with F.W. Franz saying he "wouldn't", rather than he "couldn't" translate that bible verse into Hebrew;

  - perhaps because the question was irrelevant?

  I would have thought that the proper response to an irrelevant question from the prosecutor would have been for Franz's lawyer to have protested to the court that the question had no relevance. Yet, there is no evidence that this happened.

  Bill.
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  No JW's w/ post-graduate degree in Biblical Greek/Hebrew?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone here have info regarding the validity/invalidity of the following statement i read while browsing:.

  "as far as we have been able to determine, no baptized jehovahs witness has ever been awarded a post-graduate academic degree by an accredited institution in the field of biblical greek or hebrew.

  this is rather startling in a religious sect of approximately six million people who pride themselves on being zealous students of the bible.

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  Bungi Bill

  When I first began a "Bible Study" JW Indoctrination Course over 40 years ago, I was assured that F.W. Franz was, to quote, "The Foremost Scholar of Hebrew and Greek in the World."

  Sad to say, for several decades, I actually believed that to be the case!

  HOWEVER:

  - During a 1954 court case in Scotland, his knowledge of Hebrew was shown up as being, at the best, extremely basic.

  (Somebody fluent in a foreign language has no more difficulty in translating that into English than in translating English into the foreign language. I know this from experience, having for many years had to use another language as part of my everyday work. The operative word is "fluent", which Franz was shown up not to be!)

  - An Awake article in the late 1980s gave Franz's university qualifications as being in modern Greek, NOT the Koine (Common) Greek of the Bible writers.

  It is extremely unlikely that anyone in the congregations has post- graduate qualifications in the Hebrew and/or Common Greek:

  - Those born into the JW religion are (and always were) scared off from a college education.

  - Those who were already qualified before contact with the witnesses would quickly see through the sham of the WT's interpretation of the Bible (similar to the person Lady Lee mentions).

  While, certainly, there is no way to actually prove that above statement ( as quoted from the "spiritwatch" website); it is still by no means an unreasonable claim to make - given the WT's downer on education.

  Bill.
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  Fred Franz: Time in Which We Are Now Interested -- 1975 lecture

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from internet archive:.

  "time in which we are now interested," lecture given by frederick w. franz on february 5, 1975 at the los angeles sports arena in los angeles, california.

  this was a special lecture given by fred franz (then vice president of the watchtower society and one of the main theologians of jehovah's witnesses at that time) on the 6,000 year chronology that pointed to the year 1975 as a special year marked in bible prophecy.

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  Bungi Bill

  Franz's statement at 50:50 minutes - regarding the time between Adam's creation and that of Eve - was his escape clause.

  Over the previous nine years, the WTS had said (and written) a lot about 1975. However, this was the first time that they tried to cover themselves:

  - just in case the unthinkable did happen (as, of course, it certainly did!).

  Bill.
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  return visit with my jw barber today

  by JunkYardDog in

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  as i sit down i see wt books on the counter.

  after the hair cut the barber agreed it look up some of the stuff i told him.

  i agreed , it don't make it true , but most everything on those sites is on the wts cd.

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  Bungi Bill

  No harm in giving them a dose of their own medicine!

  To think, too, that the cheeky #%&* most likely is counting time while he works.

  (What was the recent observation by Farkel that much of the "reported" time is bogus?)

  Bill.
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  7th Day Adventists came to my house... it was weird

  by sabastious in

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  so i get a knock on the door and a minister from a local 7th day adventists is at my doorstep.

  it felt very much like a witness.

  he asked me about my life and how things were going and if i was a christian.. i explained to him that i gave up christianity a while back and he asked why.

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  Bungi Bill

  I have only once received a visit from the Seventh Day Adventists. This was nearly 30 years ago, and they were calling in at every house in the street, asking for donations. (Not that they got one razoo out of me!)

  Bill.
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  Fake Knock and Other Sneaky Tactics During Field Service

  by sacolton in

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  2. experiences

  yeah, i hated "field circus".

  i don't like bothering people on saturday mornings about the latest watchtower & awake magazines and try to convert them from their religon to become a jehovah's witness.

  so, what i did was just wait until the group passes by and fake knocked.

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  Bungi Bill

  The last two JWs who called at my place seemed very reluctant to press the door bell:

  - like they half suspected it to be wired to a plug of gelignite!

  Bill.
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  1970s sydney international convention questions

  by Aussie Oz in

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  i was there as a kid... i know i was but for the life of me i can't find anything about it in here or on google!.

  early 1970s... what year was it?.

  what was it called?.

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  Bungi Bill

  A full program for those two international assemblies can be found on the website http://www.geocities.ws/jrista.

  These ran for five days, and the 1973 "Divine Victory" assemblies were the first not to have evening sessions.

  Bill.
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  "I need to do more Bible study"

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".

  i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.

  if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".

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  Bungi Bill

  What is Harry Camping using as an escape clause?

  Freddy Franz threw in the (unknown) time lapse between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve as his escape clause.

  Camping better have such an escape clause on hand that he can pull out of his #$s - as he is certainly going to need one come May 22 next year!

  (I can't wait to see what it is - these guys, like all charlatans, are brilliant with coming up with some bull story to get themselves off the hook).

  Bill.
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  1970s sydney international convention questions

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was there as a kid... i know i was but for the life of me i can't find anything about it in here or on google!.

  early 1970s... what year was it?.

  what was it called?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Post Script!

  The 1978 international assemblies were called "Victorious Faith".

  Bill.
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  1970s sydney international convention questions

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was there as a kid... i know i was but for the life of me i can't find anything about it in here or on google!.

  early 1970s... what year was it?.

  what was it called?.

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  Bungi Bill

  In December of 1973, the "Divine Victory" international assembly was held in Sydney. This was the one in which there was a bomb scare, and I am fairly certain that the venue was Randwick Racecourse.

  Four years later, i.e. December of 1978, another international assembly was held in Sydney. Unfortunately, I cannot recall that ones name!

  Bill.